Madison Sub Zero?
I always start to contradict people who claim that SubZero is little more than a Hodag club team. Every time I go back and add up college alma maters, they prove I'm wrong as always:
Wisconsin: 12
Carleton: 4
U of MN: 4
Luther: 4
Harvard: 1
Winona State: 1
St. Olaf: 1
St. Cloud State: 1
(This includes Dan Miller as a Hodag and Jack Marsh from Harvard)
I've only been on the team for six years, but I still carry the impression that SZ is still primarily CUT based.
Compare the above with the 2001 Sub Zero roster:
Carleton: 9
St. Cloud State: 3
Winona State: 3
U of MN: 3
Colorado College: 1
Macalester: 1
Marquette: 1
St. Johns: 1
Michigan: 1
Our roster being as young as it is, it's an interesting comparison that highlights how for the life of us we can't get post college players not from this area to move here. Damn you Minnesota.
posted by Schmelz @ 10:51 PM
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One of the reasons people move away i think is the lack f other teams to play for. In open there is Zero and then well nothing. If there were another contending team made in MN that was not a co-ed team possibly more kids would stay in the area. When i think about the Carleton kids a lot of them are not from MN in general so them moving back to their "respective land" is understandable; but i do agree: COLLEGE PLAYERS STAY IN THE AREA AND LETS MAKE THE CENTRAL SHIFT SOME HEADS!
Carleton players are almost never from MN/WI. Their 08 roster had just 6 locals out of 25.
I was talking about how rarely other club players come here. Regarding other club teams other than Zero, all you need is a handful of players to organize and commit to creating another open team in the area (and stay on that team).
Historically in MN, those teams have either broken up after a year, the leadership dissolves, veterans move on to Masters, or it's used as a springboard to make Zero.
I'm playing with a CUT alumni in Utah, so they don't all end up in the Seattle.
In '01 we had 27 people on the roster for ECC, 22 playing at Nationals (and Dikeman along but injured). You're missing some people and some colleges. I don't know where Steve Steury and Matt Greff went to college. I don't know who you're counting as U of MN graduates, but Mark Severt (DDS), Ross Filice (MD), Seth Partnow (JD), Tony Severt (MD), Eric Lonsdorf (PhD), Josh Quaas (MD), Tim Murray (graduate school, I think PhD) all went to the U of MN for graduate work.
Here's a list of names and colleges for you. If you want to know who scored how many goals in which game at Nationals...I may have that information too.
(people in these didn't come to nationals)
Carleton: 10 Partnow, Quaas, Masulis, Forster, Lonsdorf, Burkhardt,(O'Brien),(Gottlieb),Boardman,Sparling-Beckley
Winona: 3 Rydel,Enge,Dikeman
SCSU: 3 Kuettner, Owens, Wineberg
Gustavus: 2 M.Severt, T.Severt
St. John's: 1 Sandahl
Macalester: 1 Gage
UW Milwaukee: 1 Enright
UW Madison: 1 Filice
Michigan: 1 Murray
No College: 1 (Roemhildt)
St. Olaf: 1 (Cram)
I don't know: 2 Steury,Greff
Tony Severt
Tony,
I had trouble finding old rosters, so I was using the team picture from Nationals and some Google searches here and there. I mistakenly put Paco as Marquette, Steury is Colorado College I believe, Quaas wasn't in the photo, you and Mark I counted as U of MN along with Filice. I tried to go by undergrad mostly.
As Dikeman suggested to me, I should have used the 2002 roster anyways, but I couldn't track down that roster for the life of me.
There wasn't that much difference. Subtract me, Cram, Forster, Bueno and Gottlieb. Add Carleton grads Wilhelm, Bowen, Sebby, Grossinger and Kuhn. Also add UW Madison grad Reznikoff and Winona State grad Josh Guyette.
That should be: Carleton 13, Winona 4, Madison 2, Gustavus down to 1, Olaf to 0. As usual, Dikeman is right. That's a peak year for Carleton participation on Zero.
to add insult to injury, there are a number of CUTs moving back to the twin cities now that their careers are in the twilight. CUT natl champs gottleib, dufort, obrien for starters, the latter two starters on sockeye. and rumor has it that mpls is on burkhardt's shortlist when done with architecture school.
not a case of better late than never.
PBo
Phil (aka the Father of the Boy of Destiny), somebody better get AJ, Westlake, Scotty, Plasman, Hahn, etc on the phone. It sounds like the band is getting back together.
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